tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7382754892322119466.post2829557967628771949..comments2024-03-29T04:19:27.038-05:00Comments on Flashback Summer: Controversial Post: Why Is Vintage So White? - Part 1Emileigh http://www.blogger.com/profile/13683866769745929646noreply@blogger.comBlogger36125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7382754892322119466.post-77001360355744038942016-07-28T16:50:35.919-05:002016-07-28T16:50:35.919-05:00I realise this may not be possible as earlier gene...I realise this may not be possible as earlier generations are passing, but have you tried asking grandmothers or elderly friends how they did their hair, or if your mother remembers her mother's hairdressing processes? I see many photographs at work of African American women in the 1940s with gorgeous hair styles, so clearly someone knew how to get the curls into place. Crow Feathers on Silkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02721003383295125487noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7382754892322119466.post-66655317438752576972015-07-06T09:17:28.175-05:002015-07-06T09:17:28.175-05:00I'm happy this article had a lot of useful inf...I'm happy this article had a lot of useful info for you, Rafaella! I still have a lot to learn, but the idea of "communities" is a little strange to me, too. I hear phrases like "the black community" or "white America," and while I understand it can be useful when talking about broad cultural norms in different racial groups, I think it can also easily cross into globalizing or assuming everyone in the community thinks the same way. And that's dangerous!Emileigh https://www.blogger.com/profile/13683866769745929646noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7382754892322119466.post-60628057916894715922015-07-05T22:30:44.416-05:002015-07-05T22:30:44.416-05:00What a brilliant article, Emileigh! It's somet...What a brilliant article, Emileigh! It's something so lovely to see how many gorgeous and intelligent women exist in the world! I learned a lot and discovered many things with this text! Personally, I identify more with Nora's view: I don't care about "communities". All I want is to express myself. As Oscar Wilde once said: "To define is to limit". As Latin (I am white, with many features inherited from my ancestors, native Indians and Africans), I note that there are ethnic boundaries (heritage of a past history of injustice and violence), even in a country of such cultural diversity as Brazil. We need more attitudes like yours to elucidate these issues. <br /><br />Regards from Brazil,<br />Rafaella.<br /><br />http://imperioretro.blogspot.com Império Retrôhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12918740624370398423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7382754892322119466.post-35500589089766835212015-05-21T16:52:39.092-05:002015-05-21T16:52:39.092-05:00This was absolutely fascinating to read and you go...This was absolutely fascinating to read and you got a great bunch of women to be your panel. Lots to think about and discuss, well done for thinking to start it off.Kate-Emhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15664293299445754159noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7382754892322119466.post-10639349675292527142015-05-20T23:11:27.972-05:002015-05-20T23:11:27.972-05:00Jennifer: Carmen Jones with Dorothy Danridge was a...Jennifer: Carmen Jones with Dorothy Danridge was a stand out as were Song Of Freedom, Proud Valley and Jericho Dark Sands with Paul Robeson. Cabin in The Sky is fabulous as well.Customer Servicehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14008418138518619839noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7382754892322119466.post-44539670478663216182015-05-19T22:30:39.414-05:002015-05-19T22:30:39.414-05:00Oh good! I liked what Nora said too, it made sense...Oh good! I liked what Nora said too, it made sense. I'm going to do more posts on traditional clothing in the future, hopefully with the help of people who really know! Emileigh https://www.blogger.com/profile/13683866769745929646noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7382754892322119466.post-56005364642158025402015-05-19T17:52:04.740-05:002015-05-19T17:52:04.740-05:00Interesting post. I like what Daffny said about be...Interesting post. I like what Daffny said about being a lady, and what Nora said about how most vintage writers are white, therefore there wouldn't be books on other races simply because they don't know. Respectful and informative. :) I'm going over to check out part two right now.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06196938349948447944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7382754892322119466.post-81359020046180906522015-05-19T16:14:07.933-05:002015-05-19T16:14:07.933-05:00I was thinking some thing along those lines when r...I was thinking some thing along those lines when reading this article. I think blacks got the crappiest end of the white washed entertainment business. I was trying to think of a classic film that featured a cast of people with dark skin, and the only thing I could think of before the 70s was Black Orpheus which is a Brazilian film directed by a Frenchman. But there were more popular views of other cultures that butchered the imagery, it took be awhile to associate "tiki" culture as an emulation of polynesian culture. Jenniferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06730633559388953224noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7382754892322119466.post-48011847101895305292015-05-19T16:02:24.964-05:002015-05-19T16:02:24.964-05:00I remember reading an article talking about how vi...I remember reading an article talking about how vintage or vintage reproduction clothing is more a modern "feminist" statement. Like we can reclaim clothing that was once viewed as oppressive, and show that it can be "strong." I know some people of color might not relate to vintage since it might bring up a past that was oppressive, but can put it in the same perspective. To take something from the past and own it, as if you are rewriting history.Jenniferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06730633559388953224noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7382754892322119466.post-63470974047941216232015-05-19T11:21:30.171-05:002015-05-19T11:21:30.171-05:00Aw, thank you so much, Dasha! That means a lot!Aw, thank you so much, Dasha! That means a lot!Emileigh https://www.blogger.com/profile/13683866769745929646noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7382754892322119466.post-4958249104179448622015-05-19T09:28:42.973-05:002015-05-19T09:28:42.973-05:00I just saw an episode of Cold Case where the subje...I just saw an episode of Cold Case where the subjects were Japanese families interned in America during WW2. Not a kimono in sight. Men in dapper suits and women in 40s dresses, elegant, poised and so beautiful with their coiffed hair. All true to the times but just because white women were on the posters, it doesn't mean that every non white woman dressed in sack cloth. It's Western fashion, not exclusively white fashion by then because of non white immigrants coming over and settling in the West. Rant overSelinahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18215629620223943455noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7382754892322119466.post-28569299970639092552015-05-19T09:26:38.467-05:002015-05-19T09:26:38.467-05:00Yes and no...there was a mainstream style but ther...Yes and no...there was a mainstream style but there were definitely groups that set themselves apart with their clothes. Zoot suits, for instance, in the 40s, worn by black men and later adopted by pachucos...the dramatically padded shoulders of pachucas. All of that is so fascinating! And there are definitely people today that preserve that. I love seeing the pachucas and pachucas at Viva.Desireehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08003471825539460273noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7382754892322119466.post-73611659510631653182015-05-19T09:15:15.540-05:002015-05-19T09:15:15.540-05:00Hey! I feel you. I find that I just roller set my ...Hey! I feel you. I find that I just roller set my hair from the beginning with wire and mesh rollers and then I'm good to go! My hair is relaxed, but that might still work for you.Desireehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08003471825539460273noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7382754892322119466.post-28033726156195355572015-05-18T12:51:30.133-05:002015-05-18T12:51:30.133-05:00Oh wow!...this is a difficult subject but you ladi...Oh wow!...this is a difficult subject but you ladies covered it with elegance, grace and honesty. Thank you for this. I'm so proud of you Emileigh!<br /><br />windycitywardrobe.comAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00134035157565655832noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7382754892322119466.post-16515431866274755302015-05-18T10:57:16.108-05:002015-05-18T10:57:16.108-05:00I like Jenny's blog, too! I'm hoping she&...I like Jenny's blog, too! I'm hoping she'll be able to contribute to posts like this in the future as well!Emileigh https://www.blogger.com/profile/13683866769745929646noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7382754892322119466.post-1619048885726760602015-05-18T04:32:43.786-05:002015-05-18T04:32:43.786-05:00Ladies, my hat goes off to each and every one for ...Ladies, my hat goes off to each and every one for you for the earnest, fantastic, thought provoking post. Thank you very much for raising the topic, Em, and to all of the interviewees for speaking so candidly and eloquently about their experiences and thoughts on this very important topic. <br /><br />♥ JessicaWitchcrafted Lifehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02992822472797191121noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7382754892322119466.post-27675661610310138022015-05-17T17:13:49.379-05:002015-05-17T17:13:49.379-05:00Exactly Selina! All ladies back then dressed the s...Exactly Selina! All ladies back then dressed the same, it had nothing to do with color and everything to do with fashion.Black Pinupshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07903130866990369173noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7382754892322119466.post-34618819066637683012015-05-17T17:12:51.364-05:002015-05-17T17:12:51.364-05:00It is hard to find hair tutorials for relaxed hair...It is hard to find hair tutorials for relaxed hair for black women, I'm working to change that. :-) And I can completely understand about wanting to live in the 50s but changing what happened in the 50s. That's also something that I will be talking about in the future issue of Black Pinups. Black Pinupshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07903130866990369173noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7382754892322119466.post-15060221334975787742015-05-17T17:09:44.084-05:002015-05-17T17:09:44.084-05:00Thank you MaDear, you can find everything at www.b...Thank you MaDear, you can find everything at www.blackpinups.net :-)Black Pinupshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07903130866990369173noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7382754892322119466.post-57967979707955767922015-05-17T09:10:59.954-05:002015-05-17T09:10:59.954-05:00Great post -- I'm looking forward to the secon...Great post -- I'm looking forward to the second part! I personally try to diversify my vintage inspiration images by following vintage bloggers of colour, and saving all the awesome old photographs you can find online of women of different races from the periods themselves. There are some very beautiful Asian actresses and models from the '20s whose looks are so stunning, and there are tons of images out there from the '30s and '40s of black women because of the fact that swing music, dance, and some of the associated styles came out of the African American community. I try to source as many of these images as I can, because it's interesting to see how women from different cultures styled the same trends in a given era, and is much more inspiring and often unique than the 500th image of a skinny white girl. <br /><br />As for other bloggers who tackle issues of race in the vintage fashion world, I love Jenny, who writes She Loves Dresses: http://shelovesdresses.com/Amanda Stockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17692571502287559784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7382754892322119466.post-7286911333008196542015-05-17T03:06:58.437-05:002015-05-17T03:06:58.437-05:00I find it pointless for people to say 'what do...I find it pointless for people to say 'what do you want to dress like a white woman for?' What were black women dressing like in those days, any different? Everyone dressed in the style of the time, unlike today where there is no definitive style of the decade anymore and people will be individuals with their clothingSelinahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18215629620223943455noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7382754892322119466.post-21528750319550513802015-05-16T19:45:43.549-05:002015-05-16T19:45:43.549-05:00Ha, me too! I think some people just need more he...Ha, me too! I think some people just need more headwrap role models! Emileigh https://www.blogger.com/profile/13683866769745929646noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7382754892322119466.post-57762173845168529432015-05-16T17:27:54.741-05:002015-05-16T17:27:54.741-05:00Wow, you bring up some really great points!Wow, you bring up some really great points!Joceehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07720602045776414220noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7382754892322119466.post-89094274048417979072015-05-16T17:15:42.694-05:002015-05-16T17:15:42.694-05:00This is a great post. I am interested for part 2. ...This is a great post. I am interested for part 2. I do have to say even though I am pale with red hair and freckles, I have gotten the aunt jemima comment when wearing my hair wrapped. So don't feel alone. You ladies all are great and look beautiful.Brandyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08784610736357161420noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7382754892322119466.post-81677264294597799652015-05-16T15:41:43.140-05:002015-05-16T15:41:43.140-05:00That is wonderful. This really is a "going al...That is wonderful. This really is a "going all the way " post. Thank you.Customer Servicehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14008418138518619839noreply@blogger.com