tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7382754892322119466.post173272933511298259..comments2024-03-18T01:06:28.265-05:00Comments on Flashback Summer: Controversial Post: Has Pin Up Taken Over Vintage?Emileigh http://www.blogger.com/profile/13683866769745929646noreply@blogger.comBlogger33125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7382754892322119466.post-77804864271805076662014-12-15T08:15:10.050-06:002014-12-15T08:15:10.050-06:00Ha, true story. I agree with your facepalm. You ...Ha, true story. I agree with your facepalm. You make good points here, and I totally see what you're saying! It makes a lot of sense, and I agree!Emileigh https://www.blogger.com/profile/13683866769745929646noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7382754892322119466.post-68663772734070868952014-12-13T14:24:14.450-06:002014-12-13T14:24:14.450-06:00I think that the prominence of "pin-up" ...I think that the prominence of "pin-up" representing the vintage culture is because true vintage culture is not very popular, while the rockabilly scene, which a good number of like the pin-up, borderline caricature look, is much more visible in society, as it has numerous, high-profile events, such as Viva, as well as a thriving music scene, which can cross over into other sub-cultures, such as rock, punk, etc., to propel it into the main stream.<br /><br />I don't think that "pin-up" has really "taken over" vintage, I just think "pin-up" is more visible, and those who wear authentic vintage on a regular basis need to take the time, if comfortable, to clear up those blurred lines the average popular is aware of. Additionally, the average population is horrifically unaware of what each decade offered. I've gone out head to toe 40s and had people say I look like I just walked off of Mad Men. *Facepalm* I think it's more about a lack of knowledge than anything else instead of various groups encroaching on territory.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7382754892322119466.post-26144772731991222102014-12-13T00:32:45.902-06:002014-12-13T00:32:45.902-06:00Haha! Exactly!Haha! Exactly!Tanithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09915557658875958630noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7382754892322119466.post-78131365670349065012014-12-12T09:27:17.029-06:002014-12-12T09:27:17.029-06:00Without reading others comments first I apologize ...Without reading others comments first I apologize if I'm already repeating what someone else has said. <br />I've noticed that people who blog about their lifestyle have seem to become the forerunners in fashion, home decor and to favoured colours. From there, manufacturers have taken their cue. It seems that we the general public who were once guided by their decisions have turned it the other way around. For instance my sister works in a floral and gift shop. What they've purchased as this years big find is yesterdays news in blogs I've read maybe a year ago. I think that's what been happening with the clothing industry as well. They've taken noticed how many people in blog land enjoy the look of vintage clothing turned it up a notch (we all know sex sells even in clothing) and are manufacturing the heck out of it. TV has taken notice with the upcoming Agent Carter (yes the Marvel nerd in me is excited) and I'm not sure if a year or two ago that a show like that would have flied. Bomb Girls certainly didn't make it. It will be interesting to see where clothing goes over the next year. Will it stick to pin-up or head to more amped up suit styles and hats.<br />Even thrift stores have jumped into the game labeling things as vintage and putting a higher price tag on it.<br />I've been hanging around vintage for a while as I explained in my latest blog post and like you enjoy being able to cover myself with style.<br />I think what will happen is it will come and go like a summer breeze and people will be on to something new and the diehards will stay.Debrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02508658207432674716noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7382754892322119466.post-74674261540225868652014-12-12T08:25:46.115-06:002014-12-12T08:25:46.115-06:00So true! I had a vintage style wedding, and I had...So true! I had a vintage style wedding, and I had to reiterate over and over that by "vintage" I did NOT mean burlap and mason jars!Emileigh https://www.blogger.com/profile/13683866769745929646noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7382754892322119466.post-35952892200016803282014-12-11T19:32:08.828-06:002014-12-11T19:32:08.828-06:00I haven't been around the vintage or pin-up sc...I haven't been around the vintage or pin-up scene long enough to say whether things are going in any direction or not, but I was certainly more aware of people wearing pin-up or rockabilly type looks before I found people wearing more authentic vintage styles. I enjoy the look of both on others, but am more of an eclectic dabbler myself. I like the bright colours and fun prints often used on pin-up styles, and I like the 50s silhouette best on me, but I'd prefer in general to explore something more everyday and subtle.<br /><br />I've encountered a lot more of the decade-confusion, when wearing or showing off a hat. "I love those fifites styles" about a very 20s cloche, or vice versa! I just try to roll with it and accept the "I love..." part.<br /><br />On another note, the word "vintage" suggests totally different things in other contexts. Seach Pinterest for "vintage maternity" (or "vintage baby") and apparently "vintage" mostly means pale colours, soft glowing light, standing in fields of flowers, headbands and lace.Tanithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09915557658875958630noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7382754892322119466.post-67842921183167899022014-12-11T13:52:36.759-06:002014-12-11T13:52:36.759-06:00There isn't a dictionary of terms for the vint...There isn't a dictionary of terms for the vintage world (sadly, ha), so "pin up" could definitely mean different things to different people. What I described is what I picture with pinup style, but as your comment shows, people may think other things when they hear the word!Emileigh https://www.blogger.com/profile/13683866769745929646noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7382754892322119466.post-75385677128079016912014-12-11T13:47:05.916-06:002014-12-11T13:47:05.916-06:00YES! I love pinup stuff, even went to a pinup part...YES! I love pinup stuff, even went to a pinup party a couple of months ago but that's not my thing. People often think that is my thing when they hear I dress vintage. I try to explain by saying, think more Donna Reed. <br /><br />Right now I'm still building my wardrobe and all of that but the look I'm going for is the more authentic vintage look. <br /><br />The pinup stuff is great, I have friends that wear it a lot and it's perfect for them. It's not for me though.Lisahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02583524755306491510noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7382754892322119466.post-71416119649878894072014-12-11T11:33:52.688-06:002014-12-11T11:33:52.688-06:00I'm gonna say "no"... because honest...I'm gonna say "no"... because honestly, I feel like authentic vintage is a smaller niche growing out of pinup and rockabilly looks that started gaining ground in the '80s. I'm sure there have always been a few stalwarts with an authentic look, but I think the appetite for authentic vintage exists in part because there is a larger and more mainstream "pinup" community that is a little more accessible... and from there, people can choose to go further into a more genuine vintage style if they like. I tend to view the pinup style as more simple pieces, too... scarf, knit shirt or sweater, voluminous circle skirt or wiggle skirt, pumps. Maybe pearls too. But it's more about the person than the clothes. Vintage tends to be the whole nine yards, hat, shoes and blouse that are appropriate to the era... so often more about the clothes than about the person. I think your example of a more pinuppy look isn't that at all... it's still got the high attention to detail and authenticity that makes vintage outfits stand out.Franceshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08213240635054488156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7382754892322119466.post-90993243252491079392014-12-10T22:11:02.924-06:002014-12-10T22:11:02.924-06:00My frustration with the influx of pin-up into vint...My frustration with the influx of pin-up into vintage and the general "blending" of the two together is that the vintage reproduction lines are becoming more and more pin-up in style and less authentic because that's what consumers are expecting.<br /><br />Like yourself though, I much prefer authentic style and really don't like it when the 40s 'swing dresses' are really short and tight. To me, that's just pin-up. Not 1940s. <br /><br />I guess it's hard enough to find vintage reproduction without then having to sort through all the pin-up styles as well. So that's just my take on it. :)<br />❤<br /><br />xox,<br />bonita of <a href="http://www.lavenderandtwill.blogspot.com.au/" rel="nofollow">Lavender & Twill</a>Lavender and Twillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06331125027969557539noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7382754892322119466.post-64842844555337941422014-12-10T16:40:37.672-06:002014-12-10T16:40:37.672-06:00I think pin-up has represented vintage for quite s...I think pin-up has represented vintage for quite sometime. I've always had a fascination with vintage clothing for a long time. And I think I always thought of Victorian clothing and pin-up clothing. I think a lot of it has to do with media, there are more relatable films and shows from the 50's than say the 20s, 30s, or 40s. When growing up the vintage fashion boundaries blurred together, and I just kind-of mentally clumped things together. I think 50's appeal to people since the emphasis was about curves, and that can be particularly frustrating with modern fashion. A lot of clothing today is fashioned around baggy clothing that hangs off of thin people. There is so much stress of being "thin enough" that it can be breath of fresh air to have a dress that looks better on a curvy lady than stick figure lady. I think other fashions are less universal, like 20s fashion we picture flat chested and thin people, even though not everyone from the time were "thin" by our models standards. 30s fashion is more pricey, as there are lots of fabric for the bias cuts, and may come off as more formal. 40s were more boxy, and again, might come off as more formal.Jenniferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06730633559388953224noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7382754892322119466.post-81365248263706610852014-12-10T15:11:24.794-06:002014-12-10T15:11:24.794-06:00Thank you for this post, dear friend. I think clot...Thank you for this post, dear friend. I think clothing stores go to "tag" vintage or pin up to try to attract more audience for their sales, we imagine "vintage" almost like a lifestyle, comfortable and durable clothes, to look with the style that we love ... the clothing stores use "vintage" as a way to attract more customers, simply.Sewingadictahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01083124271608615951noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7382754892322119466.post-83200048768897235912014-12-10T08:18:53.780-06:002014-12-10T08:18:53.780-06:00True story, I'm not worried about it taking ov...True story, I'm not worried about it taking over; it's just difficult to find reproduction that doesn't delve into pinup. (Which is fine that people have options, I just wish there were more places to get authentic repros so I don't kill all my vintage from wearing it all the time!)Emileigh https://www.blogger.com/profile/13683866769745929646noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7382754892322119466.post-79509167353171699742014-12-10T08:17:29.216-06:002014-12-10T08:17:29.216-06:00Ha, that's very true.... save all the real stu...Ha, that's very true.... save all the real stuff for people who appreciate it! Good point!<br />I think you're right about pinup just being more mainstream, so that's what stores make products for. Makes sense!Emileigh https://www.blogger.com/profile/13683866769745929646noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7382754892322119466.post-87293319428243220052014-12-10T08:15:59.610-06:002014-12-10T08:15:59.610-06:00Ha, I've gotten that too! Why does 20s and 50...Ha, I've gotten that too! Why does 20s and 50s represent all past decades? Like all the decades blend together, and that's what people see? Have they not seen any old pictures or movies ever?!Emileigh https://www.blogger.com/profile/13683866769745929646noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7382754892322119466.post-27393839788296271492014-12-09T23:49:25.098-06:002014-12-09T23:49:25.098-06:00I think it has always (well, in the context of the...I think it has always (well, in the context of the past decade or two) been a prevalent part of the vintage world, and certainly has experienced periods of particular popularity, but even with the widespread wearing of certain "pinup-ish brands (like PUG, for example), I wouldn't say that it's eclipsing more traditional forms of vintage attire entirely. To my mind, it's just one branch of the larger tree that is wearing old school or old school inspired fashion and ultimately, I'm glad it exists for those who derive as much pleasure from dressing that way as I do from sporting a more traditional vintage wardrobe. <br /><br />♥ Jessica Witchcrafted Lifehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02992822472797191121noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7382754892322119466.post-38148470985523359152014-12-09T22:29:37.966-06:002014-12-09T22:29:37.966-06:00I don't know about using the words "take ...I don't know about using the words "take over" but it is more popular bc those who dress rockabilly also dress very pinup. I think there are more women out there who admire and love vintage fashion, film, music etc but don't dress that way often. So to make thing easier for themselves they shop at the pinup shops. It is a lot easier to do that than search high and low for a vintage dress that will fit them right and that they will love. Plus not everyone sews or wants to sew or has time to sew in order to create a authentic vintage look. I think pinup has become more mainstream and therefore it seems like it has taken over but really its just become popular for the moment. I would rather pinup be popular than vintage so that those of us who dress authentically or eclectically can still enjoy the uniqueness and joy that can be found in the decades gone by. xoxA Vintage Nerdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10419873639578606712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7382754892322119466.post-59726648671481445102014-12-09T20:58:39.253-06:002014-12-09T20:58:39.253-06:00I think I have to agree with you here. I like to d...I think I have to agree with you here. I like to dress in all three of these ways. However I am a nurse and of course wear a uniform to work . When people hear that I like a vintage look, they think straight away that I dress pin up xAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04324598214145726706noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7382754892322119466.post-73483923930016045262014-12-09T19:08:02.352-06:002014-12-09T19:08:02.352-06:00I typically wear ecclectic looks, but am a huge fa...I typically wear ecclectic looks, but am a huge fan of those devoted enough to go authentic. I love all types of vintage, but do have to agree that Pin-up has become the defacto "vintage" style when the average person thinks of vintage (or even 1950s, to a point, though the basis for pin up is much earlier!). I'm definitely a fan of wearing whatever you love, but sometimes I feel like the pin-up look can veer into caricature territory, though that's not necessarily a bad thing. I guess people assuming that all vintage is "Pin-up" is like people assuming anything with a glittery headband is "flapper"!Shaunahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06783135026810618999noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7382754892322119466.post-16528085721485284932014-12-09T19:07:30.801-06:002014-12-09T19:07:30.801-06:00I agree, pin-up really has taken over the vintage ...I agree, pin-up really has taken over the vintage world! It's so difficult to find reproduction (which is pretty much all I wear) pieces that don't have short hemlines, plunging necklines, or tight, showing-every-curve-and-bump skirts. I suppose our only hope is sewing for ourselves! Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7382754892322119466.post-27218382113491940892014-12-09T16:23:19.429-06:002014-12-09T16:23:19.429-06:00I prefer more of an authentic look most days. It i...I prefer more of an authentic look most days. It is frustrating that most reproduction companies cater to the more pin-up, cleavage bearing, super tight, stretch type style but it's much closer to modern fashion standards so a wider range of women will be interesting in purchasing them. Plus it's much easier to fit with stretch fabrics. I feel like the pin-up/rockabilly type look is definitely more popular than authentic vintage but there are certainly worse fashion trends. <br /><br />As for influencing people's idea of what was actually fashionable during certain time periods, I'm pretty sure that's a lost cause. People have zero idea about what actually happened in history and even less of a clue about what people would have worn. I get compliments about my "20s" outfits all the time! And I'm usually wearing 50s which is about as far from 1920s as you can get.Stephanie Lynnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04210449948990020456noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7382754892322119466.post-8412119596603813822014-12-09T16:05:23.388-06:002014-12-09T16:05:23.388-06:00Thanks for your post. I think my style would be vi...Thanks for your post. I think my style would be viewed as eclectic. For me personally both pin up and authentic head to toe feels too costumey. However as long as I'm free to wear whatever I feel like I'm happy :) and happy to see everyone else wearing what they love too!Harilunahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13927546091974962511noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7382754892322119466.post-89312682634098163252014-12-09T15:05:38.873-06:002014-12-09T15:05:38.873-06:00Thank you for this post! My sisters and I discuss ...Thank you for this post! My sisters and I discuss this over and over, and I am so happy that you have now brought it up on your blog! Personally, no pin-up styles cater to my modesty standards, and it saddens me greatly that such a broad variety of eras has been watered down to just the va-voom vampy side of things in this day and age, like you said. They had so many more morals than we have today, back then, and I think that the world has just taken a small portion of the 50+ years of fashion we vintage-lovers wear, and exaggerated it hugely.<br /><br />Thanks again for the post!<br /><br />-Charlotte<br />boyerfamilysingers.blogspot.comThe Boyer Sistershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08954031354687928264noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7382754892322119466.post-27934932102830938512014-12-09T14:28:51.285-06:002014-12-09T14:28:51.285-06:00Me too! I'm actually working on a Wearing His...Me too! I'm actually working on a Wearing History dress right now! I love the "everyday" side you're talking about!Emileigh https://www.blogger.com/profile/13683866769745929646noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7382754892322119466.post-19997226110922337512014-12-09T14:27:59.632-06:002014-12-09T14:27:59.632-06:00Wow, I believe I've had the same reaction you ...Wow, I believe I've had the same reaction you did when people have made similar comments to me! I also don't really want to come off as a pin up type, more leaning toward classy and sophisticated, so I identify with your feelings. Way to be gracious in your response, though!<br />It is nice to have subcultures within our subculture of fashion. You're right, there's room for all of us!Emileigh https://www.blogger.com/profile/13683866769745929646noreply@blogger.com